working at a bank has taught me a lot. a whole lot. just doing my everyday duties is like doing a case study on the financial habits of african-americans, caucasians, and indian and arab communities.
and that's where this post comes from.
here's the scenario: a young (maybe 30 years old) indian guy comes in the bank and makes a deposit from the business he owns like he does every day. usually it is between $1,000 and $5,000. we usually talk about the weather and what team is doing good and yadda yadda. but today i was feeling particularly inquisitive and wanted to know what i have to do to be 30 and showing considerable profit in my own business.
me: "you handing out any applications, cause you're clearly having a better day than i am." i smile, of course. always have to have good customer service.
mohinder (yes, like the Heroes character. i always ask him if he caught himself on tv even though i know it is a common name. lol) : "can i tell you something? i want you to remember this. never again ask for an application for a job. jobs are for people who are satisfied with others telling them what to do. instead, ask for advice. ask for a copy of their plan."
this caught my attention seeing as though i was expecting the standard half-laugh and polite smile and in not a real answer.
me: "well then, bring on the advice."
mohinder: "see, people make mistakes in wanting to be rich but not having a plan. people want to work a little and party a lot, and be rich. it doesn't happen this way. if you work really hard for one or two years and party very little, you can achieve this. keep your credit good, and work together. it is much easier to gain wealth together than by yourself. my family and i all worked together. lived in the same house for one year, and after that we all could afford whatever we wanted, and where ever we wanted to live. if you teach your children how to make money instead of how to receive money, you will be happy to see them grow up and do it."
this really got me to thinking. i was sitting there counting his $7,000 deposit and thinking about my own pitiful check stub and i realized he was right. i was never taught the importance of good credit. never saw an example of good money managing. never knew the importance of having a savings account. none of that.
i can't help but notice in my every day work that the lowest bank accounts belong to blacks. that most of the overdrafted accounts belong to young black people. i mean in general, we don't have parents putting money in our accounts on a monthly basis. nor were we taught the importance of saving and keeping our credit tight, until there is some upset creditor calling us 50 times a day.
in my observations, however limited they may be, black people are the only people that don't build wealth as a community and keep it in our community. we are a people of starkly individual mindsets, which is fine in some cases. but when i look around at other races, they do seem to have a more community mindset. and higher bank accounts. even my coworkers, the white ones have inherited businesses or money or some kind of asset to their financial life, like their parents paying for college, or buying them their first car so that they can save their money for college. the indian ones have the same thing, except it is extended to their whole community. the chaldean one, her whole family, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, all live together splitting the mortgage until all of them have a nice car that is paid for, then they branch out.
the only time i've ever witnessed this being done by black families is when i was in school in atlanta. there were several successful married parents that made life a lot easier for their kids in college. not spoiling them, but lessening the load so that they could concentrate on being successful themselves. and they did this all while showing and being good examples of money managing and saving so that their children would learn to do the same. (one of my friends, both of his parents are doctors. living in a beautiful house, they could have easily bought him a car to get around, but they didn't. he had to work and when he saved up enough his father surprised him and matched the money he had. when i asked him about it he said his parents always did things like that to teach him the value of money and the importance of knowing how to save and invest. now, at age 24, my friend owns his own company and OWNS an equally beautiful house of his own, that he had built no less.
all because he was taught right and was offered support. it's amazingly simple and yet we can't seem to get it. i know one thing, my children are going to be okay. i mean, really okay. i guess it starts with one family at a time.
in other news.... okay seriously, there is a new chapter up now on the fiction blog. link to it on your right. please check it out. it was supposed to be up friday, but the stupid editor wouldn't let me post it. then i was busy all weekend and so now...here it is. sorry for the loooooong time in between. promise it will be weekly from now on. if i could just quit everything and write, promise i would. whew!
adios!
Wednesday, November 7, 2007
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Wow! this post is RIGHT ON TIME! I just finished reading this book 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' and I think you would like it. It addresses the differences in the mindset of a person who is rich as opposed to someone who will always be a worker bee! I have just recently decided to start my own business...but I have procrastinated a lil bit...but reading this TODAY OF ALL DAYS just reminded me...OF THE WHYS! I am not only doing this for me...but to teach my children and hopefully inspire my family and community to step out...and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN! Thanks! You really are a Muse huh?
I sent this entire post to my husband. I talk to him all the time about putting our kids through college. Or at least saving money so that if they do get scholarships, they can have a little nest egg. Great post. I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad too. It completely relates.
Interesting. Mohinder basically summarized Dr. Claude Anderson's controversial (to whites) book Powernomics for you right there in the bank. Check out a video excerpt. You should watch all of them, and read the book, of course. This is the truth right here.
hmm I see your point, but here's something of a 'k-leg'
I keep my balance in my account low, because money if at the end of the month I have more than 100bucks in my account then I have done poorly for the month.
You wanna know why?
Well because money sittng in my bank account, is money that is not working to it's full potential for me.
There are different channels in making money or securing investments and savings for the future and for me, that cannot be rrelected in a bank balance.
i have a few extremely wealthy uncles, but there is one in particular who I really like, everytime I go to see him, i learn something.
See, when I go to see him, there are usually loads of different people there to ask for money, he has a limit on how much money he gives out, so it's first come first serve. When i was younger he would just give me a set amount of money, as I got older he started to ask me how much I wanted.
The first few times, i said I don't know. Then after that I said nothing. He looked at me and said are you sure. And I answered affirmative.
He asked me why and i told him, I want to know how you made your money, I don't want to come and ask you for money.
he tried to test me, he would give people 1000 bucks whilst I was there and at the end of the day he would say, you missed out I have no more money to give out today, i would shrug my shoulders and ask him to tell me about the stock market.
See, my uncle believed in certain common sense things. His theory was simple.
Take care of you needs first before your wants.
i.e I want an iphone, but I really don't need one. and iphone will set me back at least 300bucks, once the money is out of my pocket it is gone forever.. I can't get it back.
However if I stick my 300bucks in a guarenteed high interest account..of say 7% a year at the ned of the year when every one is shelling out some more money to buy the new iphone, I've made some profit.. it's not sexy but it's something.
I learnt from my uncle the value of needs and wants. I also learnt from my uncle that I am an individual. If I don't learn how to make money then no matter what money anybody leaves me, I will never be ale to manage it and make it grow.
It has taken awhile to absorb those lessons. But absorb them I have.
oh and for the record. I'm black and so is my uncle lol.
Excellent post! I'm in the process of doing a money makeover myself, so this was just what I needed to read.
There are many others with similar mindsets. Check out my girl at http://www.frugalchic.blogspot.com/
Lots of informative stuff and links on that blog.
Wow, that was a pretty inspiring post!
I know what it's like to be a worker bee. What I've learned being in school is that we're taught to get out degree and "get a good job" but no one wants to teach students how to make money, be wealthy and most importantly be successful. I think that's a major problem, no just within the black community but America as well.
I really needed to read this, so I can stop the cycle when I do start my own family. There is a lot of truth in your post.
thank you for opening my eyes just a little more as to what i need to be doing with my life.
thanks everyone for your comments. when i first started working there, it amazed me how little i knew about money and finances.
@keelah: you know what, i've heard that that book is good. might make a run to barnes & noble today. and i'm cracking up at me really being a 'muse'. lol. thanks! glad i could help.
@natty: awww. i've been emailed! lol. no but seriously, my bf and i talk about it all the time. because although we both have great parents, we are still suffering from the bad decisions they made regarding OUR credit when we were younger. our children will not go through the same thing.
@nupe: thanks for the links, i will check them out. i've actually heard of that book. i think my mom was telling me about it.
@soul: yeah, i've always been one to want to know how to make money instead of just taking money from people. you are right about needs and wants, that is my biggest weakness. like the other day i was at macy's and i really really wanted these $200 boots. my bf looked at me and said "do you really need these boots, or do you just want them. i'm pretty sure you don't need them because you have at least 5 pairs of boots that look like them." even though he was wrong about them looking like them, i got his point and put them back. then i put $200 in our savings for our trip to vegas. i was so proud of myself. lol.
@afrodite: thanks! i know, for a minute i was on a college strike, thinking it didn't really do much to help you in the long run. but now i'm back in school. lol.
@meka: hey lady! glad i could help. what an inspiring comment.
Aristotle Onasis used to say OPM- other people's money- that's what you use to get rich!
oh I have another anecdote for you.
Years ago, I read an interview where some magazine was interviewing someone.
See reeboks were all the rage then and this woman was talking about how she knew Oprah was a smart woman. Aparently Oprah and her noticed everyone around them wearing Reeboks, and thought it was cute. The next day the woman went out and bought loads of different reeboks in different colours..
Oprah on the other hand went out and bought reebok stock.
A very cheap, interest and easy to digest books is : 'the richest man in babylon'. It's probably about $7.
Buy your own copy. Don't borrow it from the library. Buy your copy lol (that's the price of 2 starbucks coffee's).
Buy it read it and read it over and I promise you it will be like scales have lifted from your eyes.
It's one of the simplest most enjoyable finance books ever.
Oddly enough, that is what my father's business (Recycling Black Dollars) was all about - teaching black people how to uplift their community through solid financial practices that would benefit everyone...Lord, I miss him. =(
Excellent post Muze. Your words remind me of his.
I feel you. I spent this whole school semester working overtime. Overtime in holding two jobs and being a full time student. I was able to pay off a credit card bill and maintain good grades when I cut out all the partying. Now if I can just stay focused one more year after graduation I might have something to hold onto.
Interesting post…thanks…
MsP
Great post.
There is a lot of good info on the 'net including some real good financial blogs to learn more about money. That's the key. Most of us were rarely taught about money. I was taught how to get by, not how to build. So now as I learn, I spread word. It has to start somewhere.
Excellent post. I think a lot of parents neglect to teach the importance of saving and managing money, but if they don't have much themself it's pretty hard to lead by example.
I was mainly raised by my grandparents. My mom did not pass down things about money and getting an education. I did get a degree and I save. I get made fun of for holding on to money. I will add to another commenters post, we as blacks are taught to get a degree, a good job and nice things.
Your post brought back memories. I was a bank teller for almost 7 years and I definitely noticed a difference in how different races spend money. Nobody gave me such good advice as your customer did though. Damn, that was deep.
@ubermouth: glad you're not gone babe. and, ha!
@soul: i know, that's what my father does. my mother however, whom i was raised with, doesn't. oprah is obviously a very smart woman. lol.
@rebirth of fly: awww. i miss him for you. that is a cool positive profession to have.
@mspuddin: i know right? i was so proud of myself when i paid off a credit card (that i didn't ever charge up no less). made my score a little happier too. ;)
@a.f.f: i've just started looking over some financial blogs and they are really good. may have to add them to my daily tour of blogland. lol.
@steph: yeah, a lot of parents were taught wrong too, so it is just passed down from generation to generation.
@shai: yeah, we're taught to have nice things, not be able to afford them. shame on it all.
@eesha: wow i could not be a bank teller for seven years. i think i'd go crazy! lol. and yeah, i love mohinder....he's one of the coolest people i know, seriously.
Great, great and insightful post, Muze. I've always said that the Old Earth can stop pointing fingers at the ones who followed because a follower is only as good as its leader.
Ever notice how a complete stranger can walk into your life and provide valuable understanding?
I really enjoyed reading this post. Break the cycle for your seeds. I already know you will. Too complex not to.
@keelah, I agree Rich Dad Poor Dad is one of my favorites books. It's the kind of book where once you pick it up, you won't be able to put it down until you have finished reading it.
@Muze, I will be sure to check out your latest Ata Nafia installment.
good post!!!
This is so on point!
*nodding head*
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